A legitimate magistrates liability order will be listed in the magistrates court record.
There is much discussion on what a liability order is, whether or not a claimed order actually exists, or is valid; whether or not it must be wet-ink signed, sealed, etc.
Some of the questions relate to the whether or not the procedures have been followed to issue a valid order; some of the questions relate to whether or not there was ever an intent to issue a valid order.
I'm more interested in the second question at the moment, although the first question is of legitimate interest to loop-hole scholars, and administrators, etc.
I'm interested in whether or not the court sittings are legitimate or a scam; (and perhaps there are some of each).
William Freeman posted some reference to trustonline.org.uk which provides a service to for the existence of liability orders (and many other judgements).
This led me to question what might be different about some so-called liability orders that would cause them not to show up in a trustonline search (as William reported was the case for him).
It led be to this online record of a FOI response:
Q7 Are magistrates court summons and liability orders required to be listed in the magistrates court record
So I believe that a liability order is an official liability order IF it is listed on the magistrates court record.
So one might ask:
Is the liability listed in the magistrates court record?
Will this liability order be listed in the magistrates court record?
or maybe even go to the court and check the court record.
(I would like to know in what form the order is listed on the magistrates court record, and what identifiers or references or record numbers form part of the record).
If it is not on the court record, then my conclusion would be that it is not a liability order within the meaning of the procedures that are generally followed subsequently. I'm trying to find an official definition of "liability order" as used within The Council Tax (Administration and Enforcement) Regulations 1992 No. 613 PART VI Regulation 34. I don't yet find a corresponding definition in Magistrates’ Courts Act 1980
And so the next questions is "What type of liability order is it? What authority does it have?" or in other words, does it have any form or standing through which it can be challenged or set aside; and how can it's true form be conveyed to those who would be enforcing it thinking that it is an official liability order listed in the court record. (Who I guess would incur personal liability, acting outside their power).